Comments - Maher / Meagher and others - The Wild Geese2024-03-29T11:10:06Zhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=6442157%3ABlogPost%3A93974&xn_auth=noTownland translatortag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-10-28:6442157:Comment:2024122016-10-28T01:39:06.146ZNollaig 2016https://thewildgeese.irish/profile/BelindaEvangelista
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<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.townlandvaluationtranslator.com/" target="_blank">Townland translator</a></p> I found an Old Irish Naming P…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-06-12:6442157:Comment:973962014-06-12T01:30:25.301ZFran Reddyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/FranReddy
<p>I found an Old Irish Naming Pattern at the County Galway GenWeb Project - <a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlgal/index4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlgal/index4.htm</a></p>
<p>I found an Old Irish Naming Pattern at the County Galway GenWeb Project - <a href="http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlgal/index4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlgal/index4.htm</a></p> I am so very sorry. I spelle…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:950782014-05-26T22:14:55.347ZDr. Jane Lyonshttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DrJaneLyons
<p>I am so very sorry. I spelled your first name wrong!! I spelled it Niall instead of Neil. Please accept my apology. I just jumped in and typed. Jane</p>
<p>I am so very sorry. I spelled your first name wrong!! I spelled it Niall instead of Neil. Please accept my apology. I just jumped in and typed. Jane</p> Niall, thank you so much for…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:952172014-05-26T22:12:57.266ZDr. Jane Lyonshttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DrJaneLyons
<p>Niall, thank you so much for these references - I'm in Laois (Queen's Co.) and I know Offaly very well. I do know the way the naming works in my fathers family.</p>
<p>I didn't want to sound like I was saying this is not normal. I do know it is partly so - I've just looked at so many records and would never say it of what I've seen and I've always wondered about that.</p>
<p>I am a Scientist by training, in work experience and so I ask questions.</p>
<p>I do know thta the first son was…</p>
<p>Niall, thank you so much for these references - I'm in Laois (Queen's Co.) and I know Offaly very well. I do know the way the naming works in my fathers family.</p>
<p>I didn't want to sound like I was saying this is not normal. I do know it is partly so - I've just looked at so many records and would never say it of what I've seen and I've always wondered about that.</p>
<p>I am a Scientist by training, in work experience and so I ask questions.</p>
<p>I do know thta the first son was always named after his father or his fathers father - but so little is known about mothers how do we know the second is true.</p>
<p>If we talk to researchers, they are almost always chasing the fathers family, never the mothers - too little is known about her.</p>
<p>I am very sorry if it seems like I am perhaps appearing 'contrary' in my question. People accept what they are told a lot of the time, but, I have seen so many records I just wonder and so I question.</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply.</p>
<p>JAne</p> Dr. Lyons:
As a "tradition" a…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:951192014-05-26T20:50:32.681ZNeil F. Cosgrovehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/NCosgrove
<p>Dr. Lyons:</p>
<p>As a "tradition" and not a rule, I don't know if I can point you to empirical evidence. However, I know that this tradition is refrenced in Peter Hart's Biography of Michael Collins (Collins was a third son of his Father Michael). This is also mentioned on several genealogy web sites (a quick google yields…</p>
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<p>Dr. Lyons:</p>
<p>As a "tradition" and not a rule, I don't know if I can point you to empirical evidence. However, I know that this tradition is refrenced in Peter Hart's Biography of Michael Collins (Collins was a third son of his Father Michael). This is also mentioned on several genealogy web sites (a quick google yields</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.findmypast.ie/2011/11/15/traditional-irish-naming-pattern/">http://blog.findmypast.ie/2011/11/15/traditional-irish-naming-pattern/</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://content.sitezoogle.com.s3.amazonaws.com/u/53888/10a6c8c319ade727eef430039552604492d8bbc9/original/Course-II.pdf?response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&AWSAccessKeyId=01GMS9EF8WX7XAQD3GR2&Signature=JR9qOq%2FL%2FW6QIhya4cL1ZAUujY4%3D&Expires=1401143593">http://content.sitezoogle.com.s3.amazonaws.com/u/53888/10a6c8c319ade727eef430039552604492d8bbc9/original/Course-II.pdf?response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&AWSAccessKeyId=01GMS9EF8WX7XAQD3GR2&Signature=JR9qOq%2FL%2FW6QIhya4cL1ZAUujY4%3D&Expires=1401143593</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.igp-web.com/cork/Naming.html">http://www.igp-web.com/cork/Naming.html</a></p>
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<p> It holds in my own family (Offaly, formally Kings County) across several generations even jumping the ocean to America for the first generation of Irish Americans across several families. </p>
<p></p> Jim, yes, the P7 and 14 are r…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:952122014-05-26T20:11:21.375ZDr. Jane Lyonshttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DrJaneLyons
<p>Jim, yes, the P7 and 14 are rating of a light intensity. The P14 torch I bought has a light intensity 350 times that of the moon.</p>
<p>What this means is that I can stand in front of a gravestones and be squinting my eyes trying to read it BUT, if I have a torch of the kindof capacity that a P7 (the weaker one) has, I can just shine it on the side of each line of letters and Hey Presto - the words just stand out.</p>
<p>You would need to have two people working on this, one to shine the…</p>
<p>Jim, yes, the P7 and 14 are rating of a light intensity. The P14 torch I bought has a light intensity 350 times that of the moon.</p>
<p>What this means is that I can stand in front of a gravestones and be squinting my eyes trying to read it BUT, if I have a torch of the kindof capacity that a P7 (the weaker one) has, I can just shine it on the side of each line of letters and Hey Presto - the words just stand out.</p>
<p>You would need to have two people working on this, one to shine the torch and one to write the words.</p>
<p>The words are the most important bit</p> Neil, I am the 'previous post…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:952112014-05-26T20:07:32.105ZDr. Jane Lyonshttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DrJaneLyons
<p>Neil, I am the 'previous poster' and I hope you won't think I am being cheeky here.</p>
<p>I would love to see the statistics behind this naming tradition pattern - seriously.</p>
<p>I have indexed a large number of gravestones from a number of counties spreading from Cork up to Dublin. I have transcribed numerous years of baptisms and marriages from parish records and I can honest to God say that I have never actually 'seen' / 'observed' anything that would lead me to believe in this…</p>
<p>Neil, I am the 'previous poster' and I hope you won't think I am being cheeky here.</p>
<p>I would love to see the statistics behind this naming tradition pattern - seriously.</p>
<p>I have indexed a large number of gravestones from a number of counties spreading from Cork up to Dublin. I have transcribed numerous years of baptisms and marriages from parish records and I can honest to God say that I have never actually 'seen' / 'observed' anything that would lead me to believe in this naming pattern.</p>
<p>I can say that I don't actually disbelieve it but I can also say that of a family with at least two sons, one of them was named after his father and the other after his Grandfather AND that the first son was always named after his paternal Grandfather.</p>
<p>I honestly can't say that a second son was definitely named after his maternal Grandfather.</p>
<p>There was only a small selection of first names in use - if someone had a Fintan, I'd tell them to go to Laois (Queen's Co.)) first.......if they had a Moses, I'd say try Wexford.</p>
<p>What I will tell everyone is I don't care when their family left Ireland, what they should do is go to the Griffiths Primary Valuation and look for men of the same name as the first son born to their first ancestor and follow that lead. The other names, they generally don't matter in the long run - the people searching want to know where their ancestor came from, they want to find (hopefully) some living relative</p> Just to clarify the naming tr…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:949412014-05-26T12:25:06.016ZNeil F. Cosgrovehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/NCosgrove
Just to clarify the naming tradition mentioned by a previous poster: the tradition was a first son was named after his paternal Grandfarher, a Second Son was named after his maternal Grandfather and a third son after the Father (provided in the last two instances the name was not already given).
Just to clarify the naming tradition mentioned by a previous poster: the tradition was a first son was named after his paternal Grandfarher, a Second Son was named after his maternal Grandfather and a third son after the Father (provided in the last two instances the name was not already given). Hi Jane, Here is one referen…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-26:6442157:Comment:948932014-05-26T02:36:29.847ZJames McNamarahttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JamesMcNamara
<p>Hi Jane, <br></br><br></br>Here is one reference from the re-Publisher (Martin Breen) of the NC McNamara book (first published in 1897) <em>The Story of an Irish Sept, The Origins and History of the McNamaras.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~asdfgh/macs/macs.html" target="_blank">http://homepage.eircom.net/~asdfgh/macs/macs.html</a></p>
<p><span>"The MacNamaras are credited with building at least 80 castles in the County of Clare. (A book detailing the history of the castles in Co.…</span></p>
<p>Hi Jane, <br/><br/>Here is one reference from the re-Publisher (Martin Breen) of the NC McNamara book (first published in 1897) <em>The Story of an Irish Sept, The Origins and History of the McNamaras.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://homepage.eircom.net/~asdfgh/macs/macs.html" target="_blank">http://homepage.eircom.net/~asdfgh/macs/macs.html</a></p>
<p><span>"The MacNamaras are credited with building at least 80 castles in the County of Clare. (A book detailing the history of the castles in Co. Clare, 220 in total, is at present in hand.)"</span></p>
<p><span>I love the one reference I have in the Clare Ordnance Survey letter for Feakle Parish which talks about the castle that was above the townland of my Macs and McGraths (Lecarrow Lower). <em>"I find no record of the existence of a castle in this Parish and still it would appear from the name of a hill in the Townland of Lecarrow Lowerm situated about three-quarters of a mile to the east of the Village of Feakle, that there was one there at some period. This hill is called Cnoc a Chaisle</em></span><em><span style="font-size: 13px;">áin, and tradition says that there was a Castle to be seen on it in the memory of old men not long dead, but no trace of it remains at present. The name of the hill should appear on the Ordnance Map."</span></em></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">Somewhere, I thought the Clare Library, I had found the builder of this castle as Sioda Cam MacNamara, who was also the builder or re-builder of the Quin Abbey castle. I cannot find that reference now though. That would put this castle at around late 1300s to early 1400s as Quin Abbey was build by Sioda at 1402 for the Franciscans and originally built by Richard de Clare in 1280 (as part of his effort to subdue the McNamaras).</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13px;">PS - Not sure what a P7 of P14 torch is but sounds like a great thing to have on hand in the cemetery. Is that just the rating of the light intensity? </span></p> Did the Macs really have that…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-05-25:6442157:Comment:949142014-05-25T06:58:19.726ZDr. Jane Lyonshttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DrJaneLyons
<p>Did the Macs really have that many castles Jim? Wow :)</p>
<p>I actually had fun yesterday. The day before, I'd gotten up, driven over to June with the dogs 'cos I don't want them jumping up nd down all over Janet so their gone to the kennels. Then, off I went to Dublin cos my OS maps are falling to pieces and I wanted to be able to show Janet all the graveyards between Ballyroan and Abbeyleix and over to Freshford. ALSO, I HAD to get (deliberate capitalisation there) a torch....not just…</p>
<p>Did the Macs really have that many castles Jim? Wow :)</p>
<p>I actually had fun yesterday. The day before, I'd gotten up, driven over to June with the dogs 'cos I don't want them jumping up nd down all over Janet so their gone to the kennels. Then, off I went to Dublin cos my OS maps are falling to pieces and I wanted to be able to show Janet all the graveyards between Ballyroan and Abbeyleix and over to Freshford. ALSO, I HAD to get (deliberate capitalisation there) a torch....not just any old torch, this one is actually a P14, I only needed a P7 but they hadn't any of them so I went for the stronger one. The difference this torch makes when you shine it on the difficul to read script on a gravestone is incredible.</p>
<p>You can't get torches like that down this part of the country and it's also difficult to get OS maps down here too, so Dublin and the one campins shop I knew in the city centre was where I had to go</p>