Casements turning in his Grave, Oscar Wilde too,

Because on the 17th of March, they’d be missing from the crew.

Once proud of the Green, now I know longer know,

Because that colors missing from the beautiful rainbow.

 

When Padraig Pearse and Eve gore booth

Cannot take the green striped route,

This is when I’d have to say,

That Boycott is the only way.

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Comment by Ryan O'Rourke on February 17, 2014 at 2:53pm

Yikes.

Well, I can be fairly certain that not a single "gay pride" parade would allow the Westboro Baptist Church to march ... so I guess we'd better make sure we dish out equal ire and outrage against those "gay pride" parades, right?

Comment by Jim Goulding on February 17, 2014 at 7:25pm

Check out Niall O'Dowd's piece on the Secret behind who really runs the NYC Saint Patrick's Day Parade:

 http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/niallodowd/Secret-behind-who-really-runs-the-NYC-Saint-Patricks-Day-Parade-.html So who really does run the parade? Don't we have a right to know? Why the secrecy and intrigue?

Surely most people recognize that the NYC St. Patrick's Day Parade is a platform for many different positions and policies. Politicians, political candidates, groups promoting other issues, etc. have marched promoting themselves and their platforms ad nauseam over the years. The parade committee is surely not endorsing each of their positions as they march. Let the Irish gay organization march with an organizational banner and require them to comply to all the regulations for marchers in this parade – no ostentatious, in-your-face manifestations of homosexuality, etc. allowed. What would Pope Francis say? “Who am I to judge?”


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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 17, 2014 at 7:32pm

Yes Jim let them march under their banner and assemble peacefully.  

Comment by Jim Curley on February 25, 2014 at 6:36pm

I just got an e-mail from the Sober St. Patrick's Day people. They are going to march in the St. Pat's for All parade in Queens. Seems more inclusive than the Fifth Avenue one.

Comment by John W. Hurley on February 26, 2014 at 1:04pm

Belinda, it really is not an issue of freedom of speech that's a fallacy because they have the right to march in their own parade. If there was some sort of link between being Irish and being Gay then I'd say they would have the right but there just isn't. It's like saying others should have the right to march for being straight. It's not a right it's a privilege to be asked to march. The St. Patrick's Day parade, at least since the Civil War has been a military-type parade meant to remind other Americans about how much the Irish have sacrificed in lives for the sake of this country, thus silencing the argument that we were not loyal American citizens and considering the bigotry we still face, I think it should always remain that way. A reminder that we had to fight to get here, fight to stay here and die to maintain our freedoms. But I was trying to think of someone like a Roger Casement that might represent the Gay Irish community but there is a problem...

First, the people who claim that Roger Casement (and for that matter Patrick Pearse) were gay, actually also claim that they were pedophiles. The alleged "black diaries" of Casement talk more about young boys than men and in both cases, the source is always someone with a pro-British and anti-nationalist agenda. So I don't think anyone would want to include anything about Casement in the parade if that story was true, as Catholics would be against it and gays are always arguing that pedophilia and homosexuality are not linked. So then I thought what about Father Mychal Judge who I had heard was gay. But then I've found debate over whether that was true or not as well, so I don't know what to think. 

But what I'm saying is that IF for example, Father Judge WAS gay, then I would support a "Father Mychal Judge Society" that was made up of Irish gays and lesbians marching in the parade because he was Irish, American, Roman Catholic, gay and a hero. Again, was he actually gay or was that just gay rights activists trying to sort of "cash in" on 9/11, I don't know.(I'm sure that most gay activists aren't like that but there is always someone tasteless like that in every community.) All I'm saying is lets get our facts straight before we start declaring the irony of who should or should not be allowed to march. Patrick Pearse for one would have probably shot any gay marchers in a St. Patrick's Day parade.

One last thing though. In this whole debate a lot of mud has gotten slung at the Catholic Church and at Irish Catholics by the Gay community as though it (or we) are the bad guys. But you can persuasively argue that actively gay men in the Church, acting as priests, have been betraying the Irish/Catholic community from within now for a very long time. There is actually a documentary on PBS tonight about the alleged "gay mafia" in the Vatican. It does not paint a pretty picture. I think the gay community should be more concerned about their own community and the backlash against it that certain members within it might create for the whole group because of their actions. 

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