Casements turning in his Grave, Oscar Wilde too,

Because on the 17th of March, they’d be missing from the crew.

Once proud of the Green, now I know longer know,

Because that colors missing from the beautiful rainbow.


When Padraig Pearse and Eve gore booth

Cannot take the green striped route,

This is when I’d have to say,

That Boycott is the only way.

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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 15, 2014 at 10:35am

Susan the photo is of Gay Holocaust victims.  Note the triangles on their uniforms.

From Wikipedia:  Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced. Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps It is unclear how many of the 5,000 to 15,000 eventually perished in the camps, but leading scholar Rüdiger Lautmann believes that the death rate of homosexuals in concentration camps may have been as high as 60%. Homosexuals in the camps were treated in an unusually cruel manner by their captors.

After the war, the treatment of homosexuals in concentration camps went unacknowledged by most countries, and some men were even re-arrested and imprisoned based on evidence found during the Nazi years. It was not until the 1980s that governments began to acknowledge this episode, and not until 2002 that the German government apologized to the gay community.

Ancient Order of Hibernians (AOH) no longer runs the St Patrick’s Day Parade in New York.
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I am a big fan of Oscar Wilde and the diversity and humor were the things I love most about him. No disrespect meant:)

Comment by Susan McWilliams Lev-Yadun on February 15, 2014 at 4:26pm

Thanks you, Belinda. I already knew, as I assume we all did, what the picture was. My question was what you were trying to say by posting it. Some not-so-veiled reference to Nazis? Because someone does not actively support something, he must be against those that do? If we don't support inclusion in the parade, we are akin to Nazis? Please. 

And if, as your link says, Cardinal Dolan has some influence over the parade's structure, then surely he has the right to follow his beliefs. It's a St. Patrick's Day parade. St. Patrick was a Christian saint. What's wrong with the Church having some influence over what happens in the parade? Everything has to be PC? That leaves no room for tradition, I'm afraid. We all know there'll be plenty of homosexuals marching; they just won't be representing such groups.

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Comment by Mark Connor on February 15, 2014 at 4:56pm


I don't believe you are disrespecting Oscar Wilde. I'd say you're much more familiar with his work than I am, although I saw a wonderful performance a few years ago (or a little more) of "The Importance of Being Earnest" at Theater in the Round in Minneapolis. 

As far as the Irish Central article is concerned, it is fair to say not only that they are aggressively supportive of the homosexual lobby's political agenda, but also anti-Catholic. If it considers itself in any way allied with Catholic identity it only does on its own terms which have no respect for Catholic teaching and like most of the mainstream media is twisting Pope Francis' words to fit its own world view. Its reference to the "new writ of Rome" and whether it applies to New York is either pure ignorance or a blatant lie. Pope Francis' statement "Who am I to judge?" was in reference to whether priests with same sex attraction who maintained celibacy vows should be allowed to remain in ministry. He prefaced that statement in answer to a reporter's question by referring to the need for "a theology of sin." So that Irish Central editorial is just another piece of propaganda.

As far as who really is in control of the parade, I will look into it myself and see what I understand. I had just come of age and only recently joined the Hibernians when the law suits started and the parade issue emerged. But as I said, two things are important: One, the issue was decided in the 1990s by the Supreme Court and it should rest as an already answered question; second, the policy is not telling homosexual oriented people they are less worthy than others or banning them from marching, but it does ban them from marching with an expression of support of homosexual behavior. I insist it is a respectful policy. I understand that some may think it is not, but that's my personal position on it and in any discussion I'm sticking to it.

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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 15, 2014 at 6:16pm

If we allow a precedent of “ban them from marching with an expression of support of homosexual behavior” would that not also open up a door for as an example a Pagan parade to ban a rosary beads or a Yarmulke or a ‘no donkeys allowed’ in any Republican gatherings etc.  

Here are some of the articles of Universal Declaration of Human Rights which I find to be applicable and could be argued for on both sides of the aisle.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

No one may be compelled to belong to an association.


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Comment by Mark Connor on February 16, 2014 at 12:59am


Yes, it does open up that right. In fact, a pagan march already does have the right to ban someone from marching with rosary beads in a pagan parade etc. Yes, those arguments from the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights can be used as arguments on either side of the aisle to be included in any debate as to the reasons for either position on this issue, but nothing in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights can be used as an argument on this issue in U.S. court, if such an argument were to reach the courts again because the argument that has taken place and any further argument to hypothetically take place in the U.S. judiciary would only be subject to U.S. constitutional law which does not take into consideration that declaration. The U.S. has not signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and does not recognize it as applicable to U.S. constitutional law.

Comment by Susan McWilliams Lev-Yadun on February 16, 2014 at 1:43am

Not everyone is invited to every party. Why would someone who carries a rosary or a kippah-wearing Jew even consider taking part in a pagan parade? The only reason could be provocation. Diversity and respect for others does not guarantee everyone a right to take part in everyone else's event.  As Mark has already pointed out (twice), the matter has already been settled. And since there is an "alternative" parade, everyone can march somewhere, and everyone has at least one parade to boycott. Only in America!

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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 16, 2014 at 6:09am

So you agree with a precedent that opens the door to telling the Jewish that they may not wear a yarmulke, and Catholics that they may not display a Rosary.

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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 16, 2014 at 7:55am

Then where will it end.  Will Halloween parades be allowed to ban costumes which might offend the organizers?   Will this lead to free license to ban artistic gatherings from displaying art which might offend the organizers.  Looks like we could be heading for a very black, white and uniform parade culture.  I prefer mine with colors.  

Comment by Ryan O'Rourke on February 16, 2014 at 8:01am

"Will Halloween parades be allowed to ban costumes which might offend the organisers?"

If it's a privately organised Halloween parade, then yes ... they'd be well within their right to ban any such costumes.

Comment by Kelly O'Rourke on February 16, 2014 at 8:56am

 (In reference to my earlier comment and Belinda's request for more info...)

O sorry.  There is this awful organization called The Westboro Baptist Church.  They are not a church in any sense I am familiar with, but that's what they call themselves.  They are convinced that whenever one of our soldiers is killed abroad, it is a result of God's wrath at U.S. acceptance of homosexuality (or something like that.)  Consequently, they show up to protest at funerals for military people.  They carry hateful signs about their views.

My point is just that no one would tell organizers of a gay pride parade that they should let the Westboro crowd (or even a more peaceful group) march in their parade.  It would go against the core beliefs of the organizers.  The Hibernians should be given the same liberty.


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