Casements turning in his Grave, Oscar Wilde too,

Because on the 17th of March, they’d be missing from the crew.

Once proud of the Green, now I know longer know,

Because that colors missing from the beautiful rainbow.

 

When Padraig Pearse and Eve gore booth

Cannot take the green striped route,

This is when I’d have to say,

That Boycott is the only way.

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Comment by Susan McWilliams Lev-Yadun on February 14, 2014 at 1:53pm

Sorry, I don't agree and I feel compelled to speak up.  No one is telling anyone not to march, just not to mix things up and politicize everything. 

Comment by Jim Curley on February 14, 2014 at 2:12pm

The Parade has always been politicized. "England, get out of Ireland," Noraid banners, etc. The organizers are afraid of the wrath of the Church.


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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 14, 2014 at 2:25pm

I feel it is a right not a privilege to assemble peaceably be it with a cardboard banner or a silken sash to demonstrate your pride in your way of life and or heritage.  The whole parade could all wear an identical green uniform to make it apolitical. But I don’t think that’s what America is all about. Lots of instances where political entities did not want to mix things up....With some unfortunate results.

Comment by Susan McWilliams Lev-Yadun on February 14, 2014 at 2:44pm

I see your points, but I stand by my opinion. Not the place for this. Plenty of other forums, etc.Why do people feel the need to flaunt this all the time? The non-gays don't march with "hetero and proud of it". Leave this in the bedroom. I don't need to know.


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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 14, 2014 at 2:57pm

An example of a Government entity not 'wanting to mix things up'.  People did not want to know then either


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Comment by Mark Connor on February 15, 2014 at 2:23am

Susan McWilliams----My sentiments exactly. Also, as a member of the Ancient Order of Hibernians in America, Division 4, Ramsey County, St. Paul, MN, there are two important historical points regarding the parade I wish to make.

First, whether our brothers sponsoring the parade in New York could be forced to allow public displays of homosexuality in the parade was decided in the early 1990s by the United States Supreme Court. The First Amendment allows free speech and assembly but it does not require any organization to submit to someone else's insistence on a kind of speech. The Hibernians cannot be forced to express the form of speech the Irish Gay Lesbian (or was it Irish Lesbian Gay?) Organization insisted on because it directly contradicts the faith of the Hibernians, which would be a violation of the Hibernian's First Amendment rights. One thing that must be clarified about that contradiction is that our New York brothers, in denying public displays of homosexual identity in the parade is NOT, in any  way, an insult or condemnation of people with same sex attraction. Rather, by our faith as explained in paragraphs 2357 - 2359 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, it is a policy that expresses our love and respect for the dignity of homosexual persons. 

Secondly, the Hibernians originated as protectors of over 90 percent of the Irish nation when they were forced to practice their faith underground for fear of death, kidnapping into slavery, or other persecutions. Casement and Wilde would have always been allowed to march in the parade, as are all others, just so long as they do not hijack the parade for the purpose of mocking the very faith the Hibernians represent. 

Finally, as I said the matter was settled in the early 1990s, which is evidenced by another parade that takes place in Sunnyside. Obviously that proves the above picture of a Nazi concentration camp as completely foreign to what happens in our country when these arguments develop. In the U.S. you start your own parade in Sunnyside, you don't end up in a concentration camp like in Hitler's Germany. So perhaps those who don't like the Hibernian parade should start practicing the tolerance they so passionately call for. And oh yeah, people should stop objectifying Oscar Wilde as a champion for homosexual behavior, given that at the end of his life he repented of it and actually converted to the Catholic faith, which means that had he lived longer he would have even been able to join the Ancient Order of Hibernians. 

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/arts/al0010.html


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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 15, 2014 at 2:55am

The First Amendment allows free speech and assembly but it does not require any organization to submit to someone else's insistence on a kind of speech. 

Is this an arcane aspect of the law? If say for example I wanted to express myself by remaining silent.  Could they object to that?

Comment by Kelly O'Rourke on February 15, 2014 at 4:45am

The organizers should be allowed to present a parade that is consistent with their views.  No one would tell the organizers of a gay pride parade that they should allow the wackos from Westboro to march.  Let's be consistent.


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Comment by Nollaig 2016 on February 15, 2014 at 5:54am

Secondly, the Hibernians originated as protectors of over 90 percent of the Irish nation when they were forced to practice their faith underground for fear of death, kidnapping into slavery, or other persecutions……Kudos on that

Casement and Wilde would have always been allowed to march in the parade, as are all others, just so long as they do not hijack the parade for the purpose of mocking the very faith the Hibernians represent……Not a historical fact and time travel has not been invented

Finally, as I said the matter was settled in the early 1990s, which is evidenced by another parade that takes place in Sunnyside. Obviously that proves the above picture of a Nazi concentration camp as completely foreign to what happens in our country when these arguments develop…..Isn't America great :)

people should stop objectifying Oscar Wilde as a champion for homosexual behavior, given that at the end of his life he repented of it and actually converted to the Catholic faith…..Oscar may have been in a syphilitic haze towards the end so only God and Oscar know for sure.  He may be in Homosexual Heaven now for all we know:)

Kelly, not familiar with this.  Can you fill us in?

Comment by Susan McWilliams Lev-Yadun on February 15, 2014 at 9:05am

Thanks all of you who commented on this issue.

A few points: I don't quite see what a photo from the Holocaust is supposed to add to this.

Mark, I haven't finished the article about Wilde yet, but I will. Thanks for sharing it. Is the parade in fact organized or sponsored by the AOH? If that is the case, as I understand from your comment above, then they should be allowed some control over what marchers carry or wear.  There are plenty of other parades for this.

And I am sad that we cannot write about Oscar WIlde with more respect. We owe this literary giant more respect.

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