President Down: Where Were You When the Shots Rang Out? - The Wild Geese2024-03-28T23:56:34Zhttps://thewildgeese.irish/forum/topics/jfk-where-were-you-when-the-shots-rang-out?commentId=6442157%3AComment%3A64232&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSusan, did you ever visit Bel…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-02-03:6442157:Comment:760122014-02-03T07:21:19.505ZDJ Kellyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DJKelly
<p>Susan, did you ever visit Belfast? One of my favourite cities with very friendly people, it too has many Protestant churches. Unlike Dublin though, it lost many of its churches to the Luftwaffe during WW2. A number of Jewish people were killed in the Blitz there too, as Belfast had received many children under the Kindertransport scheme.</p>
<p>Here in England, the news about President Kennedy was received as just another news item, albeit sad and shocking, except within the Irish community…</p>
<p>Susan, did you ever visit Belfast? One of my favourite cities with very friendly people, it too has many Protestant churches. Unlike Dublin though, it lost many of its churches to the Luftwaffe during WW2. A number of Jewish people were killed in the Blitz there too, as Belfast had received many children under the Kindertransport scheme.</p>
<p>Here in England, the news about President Kennedy was received as just another news item, albeit sad and shocking, except within the Irish community of course. Interestingly, the Irish Protestants in my neighbourhood were as saddened at the news as were the Catholics. He was mourned as an Irishman, not as a Catholic. It strikes me that, in issues that really matter, being Irish seems to be more important than church.</p>
<p>By the way, the only 'Black & Tan' hanged for murder during the War of Independence was an Irishman - a Dubliner and a Protestant. You'll find a review of my book 'Running with Crows' [my author name is DJ Kelly] here at The Wild Geese and also details of it here in the Green Pages. My research for the book centred around the Dublin community in which the executed William Mitchell had grown up. My research taught me that, back then, Dubliners cleaved to their local communities rather than to their churches. The United Irishmen (arguably the first serious movement towards unity and independence) were men of all faiths. It's fascinating to read about them. </p>
<p>When next you visit Dublin, do go into St Michan's church, where you can 'shake hands' with a long-dead crusader down in the vaults. Churches are great repositories of our history.</p>
<p> </p> I was in the 2nd grade at a s…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2014-02-02:6442157:Comment:757342014-02-02T20:02:11.583ZJohn W. Martinhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JohnWMartin
<p>I was in the 2nd grade at a school in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our teacher was called out of the class for a bit then returned crying, telling us that we were dismissed from school. The President had been shot. I watched the funeral on TV.</p>
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<p>I don't believe in a lone shooter. I don't believe in the magic bullet theory. I believe in the cover-up still.</p>
<p>I was in the 2nd grade at a school in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Our teacher was called out of the class for a bit then returned crying, telling us that we were dismissed from school. The President had been shot. I watched the funeral on TV.</p>
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<p>I don't believe in a lone shooter. I don't believe in the magic bullet theory. I believe in the cover-up still.</p> Thanks for this information y…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-12-03:6442157:Comment:660362013-12-03T21:21:38.752ZSusan McWilliams Lev-Yadunhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/SusanLevYadun
<p>Thanks for this information you are all sharing. I have been learning so much. I first came upon this site because I wanted to learn more about Robert Emmet, and I stumbled on an article posted here. One of the things I had never known before, but have learned especially in the last year and a half is how many Protestants were involved in the struggle for independence over the years. I was also surprised to see that how many major churches in Dublin were not RC. Not surprising when you…</p>
<p>Thanks for this information you are all sharing. I have been learning so much. I first came upon this site because I wanted to learn more about Robert Emmet, and I stumbled on an article posted here. One of the things I had never known before, but have learned especially in the last year and a half is how many Protestants were involved in the struggle for independence over the years. I was also surprised to see that how many major churches in Dublin were not RC. Not surprising when you consider the history. And I did not go into one of them!</p> I have not been in the cathed…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-12-03:6442157:Comment:660242013-12-03T19:56:19.114ZBernie Joycehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/BernieJoyce
<p>I have not been in the cathedral myself but I like the poem a lot. Clarke was focusing on the heads of state that did not enter the church because of Vatican 2. It was decreed that Roman Catholics could not attend different religious ceremonies back then, even Dev. stayed away."Costello, his Cabinet,In Government cars,hiding Around the corner" </p>
<p>I have not been in the cathedral myself but I like the poem a lot. Clarke was focusing on the heads of state that did not enter the church because of Vatican 2. It was decreed that Roman Catholics could not attend different religious ceremonies back then, even Dev. stayed away."Costello, his Cabinet,In Government cars,hiding Around the corner" </p> Gerry, I have no idea what be…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-12-02:6442157:Comment:657362013-12-02T19:11:15.275ZSusan McWilliams Lev-Yadunhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/SusanLevYadun
<p>Gerry, I have no idea what became of them, but I have found myself thrown into the role of family historian, since I have "inherited" all the papers from both my parents' funerals, as well as, more recently, from both my McWilliams grandparents. I also have a papal blessing that someone gave my parents as an anniversary present some years later. More recently I have become involved in working out the tree on my mother's side. Her family comes from Calabria and I visited there for the first…</p>
<p>Gerry, I have no idea what became of them, but I have found myself thrown into the role of family historian, since I have "inherited" all the papers from both my parents' funerals, as well as, more recently, from both my McWilliams grandparents. I also have a papal blessing that someone gave my parents as an anniversary present some years later. More recently I have become involved in working out the tree on my mother's side. Her family comes from Calabria and I visited there for the first time in May and met some of my relatives. I also photographed Irish and Scottish pubs while in Italy. . . . Can you tell me how to add photos? I can't seem to figure it out.</p> Bernie, thanks for sharing th…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-12-02:6442157:Comment:658022013-12-02T17:41:48.945ZGerry Reganhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/ger_regan
<p>Bernie, thanks for sharing the evocative poem. I remember visiting St. Patrick's Cathedral agog, sending it represented so much of Ireland's modern -- and medieval -- history! Those tattered battle flags still fill my mind's eye!</p>
<p>Bernie, thanks for sharing the evocative poem. I remember visiting St. Patrick's Cathedral agog, sending it represented so much of Ireland's modern -- and medieval -- history! Those tattered battle flags still fill my mind's eye!</p> Susan, go raibh maith agat fo…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-12-02:6442157:Comment:657312013-12-02T17:39:22.174ZGerry Reganhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/ger_regan
<p>Susan, go raibh maith agat for sharing this memory! Where are the portraits now?</p>
<p>Susan, go raibh maith agat for sharing this memory! Where are the portraits now?</p> Because of JFK's anniversary…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-11-27:6442157:Comment:651382013-11-27T21:02:11.224ZBernie Joycehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/BernieJoyce
<p><span>Because of JFK's anniversary I thought I would post this poem about the funeral of Ireland's first president Dr. Douglas Hyde.</span><br></br><br></br><span>Burial of an Irish President </span><br></br><br></br><span>The tolling from St Patrick's</span><br></br><span>Cathedral was brangled, repeating</span><br></br><span>Itself in top-back room</span><br></br><span>And alley of the Coombe, </span><br></br><span>Crowding the dirty streets,</span><br></br><span>Upbraiding all our pat tricks.…</span></p>
<p><span>Because of JFK's anniversary I thought I would post this poem about the funeral of Ireland's first president Dr. Douglas Hyde.</span><br/><br/><span>Burial of an Irish President </span><br/><br/><span>The tolling from St Patrick's</span><br/><span>Cathedral was brangled, repeating</span><br/><span>Itself in top-back room</span><br/><span>And alley of the Coombe, </span><br/><span>Crowding the dirty streets,</span><br/><span>Upbraiding all our pat tricks.</span><span class="text_exposed_show"><br/>Tricoloured and beflowered, <br/>Coffin of our President,<br/>Where fifty mourners bowed,<br/>Was trestled in the gloom<br/>Of arch and monument,<br/>Beyond the desperate tomb<br/>Of Swift, Imperial flags,<br/>Corunna, Quatre Bras,<br/>Inkermann, Pretoria,<br/>Their pride turning to rags.<br/>Drooped, smoke-thin as the booming<br/>Of cannon.The simple word<br/>From heaven was vaulted, stirred<br/>By candles. At the last bench<br/>Two Catholics, the French <br/>Ambassador and I , kenelt down.<br/>The vergers waited. Outside.<br/>The hush of Dublin town,<br/>Professors of cap and gown,<br/>Costello, his Cabinet,<br/>In Government cars, hiding<br/>Around the corner, ready<br/>Tall hat in hand, dreading<br/>Our Father in English. Better <br/>Not hear that 'which' for 'who'<br/>And risk eternal doom.<br/><br/>By Austin Clarke</span></p> I looked for this last week a…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-11-27:6442157:Comment:650082013-11-27T17:38:59.374ZSusan McWilliams Lev-Yadunhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/SusanLevYadun
<p>I looked for this last week and didn't see it. I was in third grade at St. Bernard's School in Mt. Lebanon, PA. I think it must have been the principal who came over the PA system to tell us the sad news. I remember we all started crying, and were sent home. In those days most of us had mothers at home and it was safe enough even for young children to walk home alone. Afterwards there were many hours and days of television coverage of everything connected with the assassination. We had a…</p>
<p>I looked for this last week and didn't see it. I was in third grade at St. Bernard's School in Mt. Lebanon, PA. I think it must have been the principal who came over the PA system to tell us the sad news. I remember we all started crying, and were sent home. In those days most of us had mothers at home and it was safe enough even for young children to walk home alone. Afterwards there were many hours and days of television coverage of everything connected with the assassination. We had a cheap framed portrait of President Kennedy from the supermarket, along with a photo of the Pope, on our dining room wall. It was a shocking event for an eight year old to try to understand.</p>
<p> </p> Hence the expression, he's/sh…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-11-24:6442157:Comment:642842013-11-24T01:00:45.559ZJames McNamarahttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JamesMcNamara
<p>Hence the expression, he's/she's got the map of Ireland on his/her face." Only what I've come to think of late of that expression.</p>
<p>Hence the expression, he's/she's got the map of Ireland on his/her face." Only what I've come to think of late of that expression.</p>