'The Great Hunger': Famine or Genocide? - The Wild Geese2024-03-28T08:34:16Zhttps://thewildgeese.irish/forum/topics/famine-or-genocide?commentId=6442157%3AComment%3A242204&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=nojust look at a map of english…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-08-04:6442157:Comment:2427432019-08-04T09:14:18.566ZJosh Colehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JoshCole311
just look at a map of english speaking world. Whose oak trees do u think they cut down for their slaving vessels?<br />
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As to the modernity of the irish false republic. they enslaved women in laundries til 1996. bunch of liars, mansplaining on here.
just look at a map of english speaking world. Whose oak trees do u think they cut down for their slaving vessels?<br />
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As to the modernity of the irish false republic. they enslaved women in laundries til 1996. bunch of liars, mansplaining on here. You have to wonder where all…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-08-04:6442157:Comment:2429132019-08-04T07:54:36.409ZDJ Kellyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/DJKelly
<p>You have to wonder where all the 'boatloads' of food shipped from Ireland to England actually ended up, since mainland Britain was experiencing its own 'famine' in the 1840s and the rural poor were starving. With typically English understatement, the government referred to the situation in England as an 'agricultural crisis'. Ag labs' wages were one shilling a week but failure of the harvests due to bad weather meant the cost of a loaf of bread was one shilling and sixpence. In Oxfordshire,…</p>
<p>You have to wonder where all the 'boatloads' of food shipped from Ireland to England actually ended up, since mainland Britain was experiencing its own 'famine' in the 1840s and the rural poor were starving. With typically English understatement, the government referred to the situation in England as an 'agricultural crisis'. Ag labs' wages were one shilling a week but failure of the harvests due to bad weather meant the cost of a loaf of bread was one shilling and sixpence. In Oxfordshire, for example, one judge went on record as saying how tragic it was to see up before him 'in this terrible season' so many respectable people charged with stealing bread. I suspect the government had as little regard for the English rural poor as they did for the 'troublesome' Irish. The end of the Napoleonic wars and the return of the fighting forces led to widespread unemployment and a string of disastrous harvests in the mid 1800s all contributed to the situation.</p>
<p>My own Irish ancestors were sent corn meal by their American relatives and went to the port to collect it, but the Irishmen controlling the docks made them pay a bribe to receive this 'gift'. It's a matter of shame, too, that there was no shortage of local volunteers to take the roofs off the homes of the dispossessed - and why they did this at all makes little sense. As for the 'Protestant soup', it is indeed true that many Protestant organisers of soup kitchens insisted the recipients should change religion, but luckily those running the Quaker kitchens did not. My grandmother always said her folks survived the famine mainly due to the benevolence of the Quakers, as well as the sacks of cornmeal sent from America, but also due to their making their own black pudding. She would explain that it is possible to make black pudding without killing your pig or cow, simply by bleeding a little it from the leg. A few sweepings of cereal or flour mixed with the blood and the sustaining mixture would be boiled. I'm a big fan of black pudding and have eaten it all around the world (Portuguese morcella fumado is the best imo), since I consider that, but for black pudding, I wouldn't be here. </p> Lots of us would really appre…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-07-19:6442157:Comment:2423902019-07-19T19:09:07.162ZJosh Colehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JoshCole311
<p>Lots of us would really appreciate it if "Irish Catholic" was no longer used. it groups people together that aren't the same for one, and the Catholic church came with conquest and has done severe harm to the women and children of ireland. go raibh maith agat<br/><br/></p>
<p>Lots of us would really appreciate it if "Irish Catholic" was no longer used. it groups people together that aren't the same for one, and the Catholic church came with conquest and has done severe harm to the women and children of ireland. go raibh maith agat<br/><br/></p> Here is an article which I wr…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-07-19:6442157:Comment:2424702019-07-19T13:40:38.578ZADRIAN McGRATHhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/ADRIANMcGRATH
Here is an article which I wrote on this very topic, The Great Hunger, An Gorta Mor. <a href="http://www.irishamericanjournal.com/2017/08/coffin-ships.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://www.irishamericanjournal.com/2017/08/coffin-ships.html?m=1</a>
Here is an article which I wrote on this very topic, The Great Hunger, An Gorta Mor. <a href="http://www.irishamericanjournal.com/2017/08/coffin-ships.html?m=1" target="_blank">http://www.irishamericanjournal.com/2017/08/coffin-ships.html?m=1</a> Article 40.2 of the Irish Con…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-06-01:6442157:Comment:2421592019-06-01T22:18:35.514ZAustin Rock (Mhic ConCharraige)https://thewildgeese.irish/profile/AustinRockMhicConCharraige
<p><span>Article 40.2 of the </span><a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Constitution" title="Irish Constitution">Irish Constitution</a><span> forbids the state conferring titles of nobility and a </span><a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen" title="Citizen">citizen</a><span> may not accept titles of nobility or honour except with the prior approval of the Government.</span></p>
<p><span>Ireland is a constitutional Republic it does not…</span></p>
<p><span>Article 40.2 of the </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Constitution" class="mw-redirect" title="Irish Constitution">Irish Constitution</a><span> forbids the state conferring titles of nobility and a </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen" class="mw-redirect" title="Citizen">citizen</a><span> may not accept titles of nobility or honour except with the prior approval of the Government.</span></p>
<p><span>Ireland is a constitutional Republic it does not recognise any "title" other than that awarded by the Irish Parliment - The Dail</span></p>
<p><span>The titles you refer to are ENGLISH titles not Irish. I repeat Ireland is a secular democratic Republic - republic in the truest sense of the word. </span></p> I am sorry but those "Irish"…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-06-01:6442157:Comment:2420652019-06-01T22:17:54.103ZAustin Rock (Mhic ConCharraige)https://thewildgeese.irish/profile/AustinRockMhicConCharraige
<p>I am sorry but those "Irish" you list let us all down, they let themselves, and the people they depended on down. It was the new irish who forged the Republic and found a "Nation Once again". I celebrate all the Irish who fought for this land and were ultimately successful. As our glorious Anthem states</p>
<p>"<span>Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!</span><br></br><span>The long watched day is breaking;</span><br></br><span>The serried ranks of Inisfail</span><br></br><span>Shall set the Tyrant…</span></p>
<p>I am sorry but those "Irish" you list let us all down, they let themselves, and the people they depended on down. It was the new irish who forged the Republic and found a "Nation Once again". I celebrate all the Irish who fought for this land and were ultimately successful. As our glorious Anthem states</p>
<p>"<span>Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!</span><br/><span>The long watched day is breaking;</span><br/><span>The serried ranks of Inisfail</span><br/><span>Shall set the Tyrant quaking.</span>"</p>
<p>And we did, we united and we achieved something after centuries of struggle. Our forebears threw it away time and again with petty ignorant arrogance. We didn't deserve our Nationhood. We ultimately won it despite the cowards and traitors in our midst. When Irishmen and women opted to serve and fight for Ireland first and not a petty local tyrant like O'Keeffe or a big one like O'Brien - that was the day we won. And its An Gorta Mor nothing more or less. Wishing for the pages of history to turn the other way is a complete waste of time. In 1921 it was a victory for the common Irish man/woman, yes we had setbacks, yes we struggled to rub two pennies together to make our nation, but we have it now.</p> Here, you go, lad, here is my…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-06-01:6442157:Comment:2422612019-06-01T21:48:31.231ZJosh Colehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JoshCole311
<p>Here, you go, lad, here is my challenge to your version of history in the name of Pobal Uí Chaoimh.<br/><br/><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n-cUnP-5cKi6afK0ycWy76_sxNQmYfLo/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n-cUnP-5cKi6afK0ycWy76_sxNQmYfLo/view?usp=sharing</a></p>
<p>Here, you go, lad, here is my challenge to your version of history in the name of Pobal Uí Chaoimh.<br/><br/><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n-cUnP-5cKi6afK0ycWy76_sxNQmYfLo/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1n-cUnP-5cKi6afK0ycWy76_sxNQmYfLo/view?usp=sharing</a></p> that's blarney there are stil…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-06-01:6442157:Comment:2420642019-06-01T21:47:06.268ZJosh Colehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JoshCole311
<p>that's blarney there are still 135 active titles reporting to queen. irish constitution just outlawed new ones.</p>
<p>castle lismore is still english. there is still an earl of desmond.</p>
<p>the irish reject the lace curtain irish and how they turned us white.<br/><br/><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of_Ireland" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of_Ireland</a></p>
<p>that's blarney there are still 135 active titles reporting to queen. irish constitution just outlawed new ones.</p>
<p>castle lismore is still english. there is still an earl of desmond.</p>
<p>the irish reject the lace curtain irish and how they turned us white.<br/><br/><a rel="nofollow noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of_Ireland" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_of_Ireland</a></p> the o'briens were the enemies…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-06-01:6442157:Comment:2421582019-06-01T21:45:09.257ZJosh Colehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JoshCole311
<p>the o'briens were the enemies of the maccarthy mór</p>
<p>O'briens sold out cashel in 1101 to rome. normans sacked rome, 1084.</p>
<p>they attacked proper irish with the normans, not hard to show.</p>
<p>munster doesn't believe in high kings.</p>
<p>inchiquins were first english governors of jamaica too.<br/><br/>remember dara quigley, forget the norman o'brien lies.</p>
<p>the o'briens were the enemies of the maccarthy mór</p>
<p>O'briens sold out cashel in 1101 to rome. normans sacked rome, 1084.</p>
<p>they attacked proper irish with the normans, not hard to show.</p>
<p>munster doesn't believe in high kings.</p>
<p>inchiquins were first english governors of jamaica too.<br/><br/>remember dara quigley, forget the norman o'brien lies.</p> The modern irish republic des…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2019-06-01:6442157:Comment:2419902019-06-01T20:23:19.485ZAustin Rock (Mhic ConCharraige)https://thewildgeese.irish/profile/AustinRockMhicConCharraige
<p>The modern irish republic despite what some imply here, is a very modern plurialist, secular state, with a free open democracy. We have a Gay Prime Minister - son of an Indian immigrant. We have divorce, liberal abortion laws, the first country in the world to have same-sex marraiges. We have full employment, 6% growth annually and amongst the top 15 richest countries in the World add to that listed as amongst the top 6 places in the World to live in. We have come a very long way - from "An…</p>
<p>The modern irish republic despite what some imply here, is a very modern plurialist, secular state, with a free open democracy. We have a Gay Prime Minister - son of an Indian immigrant. We have divorce, liberal abortion laws, the first country in the world to have same-sex marraiges. We have full employment, 6% growth annually and amongst the top 15 richest countries in the World add to that listed as amongst the top 6 places in the World to live in. We have come a very long way - from "An Gorta Mór" ( the OFFICIAL term for what happened between 1845/1849). An Gorta Mór doesn't mean Holocaust, Genocide or Famine it means An Gorta Mór - I suggest you look it up it is a colourful expression from a beautiful language and aptly summarise this nations pain and shame. For some to say there is a British presence in all Ireland is just ludicrous nonsense, an infantile make believe! Ireland I repeat is a modern democracy, which cherishes all its children, is amongst the richest and safest place to live in the entire World, which cannot be said of the USA. We are far from perfect, we have a crime problem, a drug problem but we do have an unarmed police force and the toughest anti-gun law in the World (carry a weapon without a license is the equivilent of a life term). It is not Utopia but I find some of the comments to my comment offensive and frankly not becoming of the Irish-American community that I know of and love in the USA. The use of the term British is used incorrectly here it is historically inaccurate, BTW Irish law and constitution doesn't recognise ANY titles Irish or English. To somehow cast dispersions then on the so called English (living in Ireland since 800 years for Christ sakes!!) is historically inaccurate and scandalous. At Battle of Kinsale more Gaelic irish fought for the English "The O'Brien, MacCarthy Mor, MacEgan, MacMahon to name but a few Chieftains". In the Cromwellian era the greatest butcher for the Parlimentatrian army was not Cromwell but another reprobate of the O'Briens - Murrough O'Brien Lord Inchiquin "affectionately" referred to as "The Burner" because he burnt every one and everything, Cashel is a ruin because of him. So yeah maybe if Ireland had more faith in these so called "English" like Toucet (Lord Castlehaven) a brilliant Irish Catholic Confederate cavalry commander we may have been a Nation long before 1921. Irish history is complex as an Irish Surname historian, Genealogist and Tour Guide some of the comments here do a dis-service to what attracted me here in the first place.</p>