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Permalink Reply by Rónán Gearóid Ó Domhnaill on August 22, 2013 at 1:59pm

indeed Mari, you are going back a while methinks. A lot of things were different in the 6th century. Maybe we should never have given up human sacrifices either.

Maybe every Irish person over the age of thirty should sue their parents for abuse through the wooden spoon.

Permalink Reply by Gael Murphy on August 22, 2013 at 2:10pm

Perhaps rather than return to the 6th century religion in Ireland, I could suggest that we actually go forward.  I know any hope of priest ridden (literally) Ireland embracing the 21st century is unrealistic.  How about the 20th?  How about accepting the ideas, A. that women are equal to men, and 2. that our bodies belong to ourselves, and not the catholic church.  That would be a fine start.

Permalink Reply by Mari Steed on August 23, 2013 at 9:41am

I'd actually be okay with human sacrifices, Rónán. The world is overpopulated as it is. And no one's suing anyone. Nor is any of this over a simple whack on the bottom with a wooden spoon. We're talking slavery, torture and abuse here. The government and the religious were simply asked to step up to the plate, acknowledge their wrongdoing, and provide for restorative justice. One has done so, the other has not.

Permalink Reply by Bernard Raymond O'Brien on August 22, 2013 at 2:35pm

Another philosophy of O'Dom:    TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT!

These were our better educated people back then and long before. They needed to be doing and teaching the opposite of what they taught, and which has rolled right on down to our present times; where I have heard and seen it all within  the Church walls.

Dickens, in his time, was not like everyone else, did not march to whatever the sentiment was or to whatever he was told.  He thought and worked hard for the people, like many are doing today and have done in recent years. 

It doesn't make some people happy to see the days of robot Catholics disappear.

I admit that I still pray due to over four decades of habit.   But if people like O'Dom and Fire and Brimstone are the models to getting to heaven,  I have no desire to be with them---to get there.

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Permalink Reply by Rónán Gearóid Ó Domhnaill on August 22, 2013 at 3:30pm

@ Gael sin mar a bhíonnn. Ireland is full of peasants, priests and pixies. Thats who we are. Maybe the Church is waiting for women to be given equality in secular society first.

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Permalink Reply by Gael Murphy on August 23, 2013 at 7:33am

The peasants have overthrown the Lords, and even the pixies are getting rarer.  It's the priests who have held the people in thrall, and have held back progress, since the first black robed charlatan arrived on Irish shores.

Permalink Reply by Rónán Gearóid Ó Domhnaill on August 23, 2013 at 11:23am

there is no need for any human sacrifices- there will be a good harvest this year anyway.

@ Mari the taxpayer will foot the bill or will the government get EU funding for the compensation package? When this kicks in public opinion may turn against the survivors. I can just imagine seeing yet another  new tax on my payslip.  

The church also does a lot to help the poor but a lot of people are now wary about donating spare cash as they are not sure how it will be used.

A few disgruntled Paddies will not bring the church to its knees. The church and state are powerful organs which can sidestep any obligations.

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Permalink Reply by Bernard Raymond O'Brien on August 23, 2013 at 11:55am

Now, Ronan, you are talking good sense.

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Founding MemberPermalink Reply by Nollaig 2016 on November 7, 2013 at 4:02pm

Compensation for some Magdalene Laundries victims to be paid before Christmas http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/compensation-for-...

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Permalink Reply by James McNamara on December 23, 2013 at 3:06pm

Less than 45,000 each.  A price on each head, but depending on years of service might be as little as a few thousand a year of service.

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Permalink Reply by Gael Murphy on December 23, 2013 at 3:20pm

And not one thin dime from the prince of Rome, in his ermine gowns and golden palaces.  How gullible and slavish can the Irish be? 

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