Comments - First Casualties of the Easter Rising Were in Kerry - The Wild Geese2024-03-28T16:58:34Zhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=6442157%3ABlogPost%3A175345&xn_auth=noAh ha... the relics michael d…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-15:6442157:Comment:1862052016-03-15T16:47:34.533ZThat's Just How It Washttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/MaryThorpe
<p>Ah ha... the relics michael dunne..... a very interesting history on Casement in Kerry raises,, I do know that De Valera went to his re-interment against the advise of all his Doctors and relative. Being a frail old man at this time, and not looking for the public votes, this in my opinion , would suggest that Casement earned that respect , despite what the general public's opinion of him being a traitor was this era.</p>
<p>That the Kerry people remember his in a very, respectful and…</p>
<p>Ah ha... the relics michael dunne..... a very interesting history on Casement in Kerry raises,, I do know that De Valera went to his re-interment against the advise of all his Doctors and relative. Being a frail old man at this time, and not looking for the public votes, this in my opinion , would suggest that Casement earned that respect , despite what the general public's opinion of him being a traitor was this era.</p>
<p>That the Kerry people remember his in a very, respectful and somewhat spiritual way, collecting the relics, making him one of there own, suggest a sadness, that in that era , they were quite ignorant of how great he was , and how great in history he woudl become</p>
<p>But they were not the only people who were ignorant .the only educated people this era, were, the Professionals, the Protestants, for the most part education of the Catholic masses, really only began after we became a Free State ...... </p>
<p>I have a pipe belonging to my Dad . a clay pipe belonging to my grandmother, and a pack of cards belonging to my Mam.............. So we all have relics and thoughts. </p> The spelling in the newspaper…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-15:6442157:Comment:1859722016-03-15T12:03:06.203Zmichael dunnehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/michaeldunne
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">The spelling in the newspaper attachment spells the Casement boat as "collapsible" instead of perhaps collapsable. In any event was it this report which led to government officials rejection of the Casement boat held in Cork (Haulbowline) in 1950, when Monteith returned to Banna. Apparently he was happy that the boat was one and the same and now in the North Kerry Museum. Its just as well the bodies of those drowned in Ballykissane were found as…</p>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">The spelling in the newspaper attachment spells the Casement boat as "collapsible" instead of perhaps collapsable. In any event was it this report which led to government officials rejection of the Casement boat held in Cork (Haulbowline) in 1950, when Monteith returned to Banna. Apparently he was happy that the boat was one and the same and now in the North Kerry Museum. Its just as well the bodies of those drowned in Ballykissane were found as only God knows what these officials would claim about that tragedy. Is the boat in this Museum a collapsible one?</p>
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">The following link sheds light on the indifference or hostility of political thinking thirty five years on and to some extent even on todays thinking. So Casements Boat is consigned to Kerry, where the natives can feel justly proud that this great man came to a special part of Ireland.</p>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><a href="http://www.ardfert.ie/history-architecture/casements-boat-casements-dish/">http://www.ardfert.ie/history-architecture/casements-boat-casements-dish/</a></p> Yes.. I agree MIchael Ó ... I…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1857882016-03-14T15:55:38.909ZThat's Just How It Washttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/MaryThorpe
<p>Yes.. I agree MIchael Ó ... I believe that it was practical , lots of the soldiers at Fairy House Races,and at home in England enjoying a break with their families, no doubt.</p>
<p>They had the Intelligence, just choose not to use it over that Easter Weekend weekend, because , they failed to understand that Connolly, Pearse, Clarke , were determined to go it alone, and as McNeil had already highlighted the the fact in the Media, countermanding a Rising... I feel they became complacent,…</p>
<p>Yes.. I agree MIchael Ó ... I believe that it was practical , lots of the soldiers at Fairy House Races,and at home in England enjoying a break with their families, no doubt.</p>
<p>They had the Intelligence, just choose not to use it over that Easter Weekend weekend, because , they failed to understand that Connolly, Pearse, Clarke , were determined to go it alone, and as McNeil had already highlighted the the fact in the Media, countermanding a Rising... I feel they became complacent, and let the soldiers go off on leave,</p>
<p>Yes, it it did cost the British them dearly ... and history now gives us all the reasons and statistics why it cost them dearly.. </p>
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I believe the Castle wa…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1857872016-03-14T15:34:30.467ZMicheal O Doibhilinhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/MichealODoibhilin
<p>TJHIW</p>
<p>I believe the Castle was holding off until after the Easter weekend to arrest the leaders as most of their men would be at the races or back in England on holiday. So it was a practical issue that cost dear.</p>
<p>TJHIW</p>
<p>I believe the Castle was holding off until after the Easter weekend to arrest the leaders as most of their men would be at the races or back in England on holiday. So it was a practical issue that cost dear.</p> I will drink to that as well…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1859402016-03-14T15:22:39.998ZThat's Just How It Washttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/MaryThorpe
<p>I will drink to that as well Michael Ó... [ mines a sparkling water !!] One of my Grandmothers adages was ; " If you want to know me, , come and live with me " It is nice to see put into the context above... because.... "fine feather do not make fine birds" .... and " good looks never boiled the kettle yet" ... I could go on /on about all of the adages that she woudl say, to qualify the rational about an issue that she was trying to make... </p>
<p>We are indeed all standing on the…</p>
<p>I will drink to that as well Michael Ó... [ mines a sparkling water !!] One of my Grandmothers adages was ; " If you want to know me, , come and live with me " It is nice to see put into the context above... because.... "fine feather do not make fine birds" .... and " good looks never boiled the kettle yet" ... I could go on /on about all of the adages that she woudl say, to qualify the rational about an issue that she was trying to make... </p>
<p>We are indeed all standing on the shoulders of Giants , and other one of her favorites [!!] , </p>
<p>To some extend I agree with michael dunne , on the issue around chaos.... communication was a real issue in that era, that these three men died on their way to scupper the radio singles in the College at <span>Caherciveen. and only reported in a Newspaper as a accident the next day... The Aud ..already scuppered Casement arrested along with Stack and O'Lochlinn , with other's in and around also arrested , was not a coincidence- British Intelligence had some part to play in this..</span></p>
<p><span>The British had sufficient intelligence to arrest Patrick Pearse et.al.. but choose to wait for clearances or whatever , to do this on the Easter Tuesday...</span></p>
<p><span>Is there not just a tiny bit of " chaotic poor planning ", in there somewhere ?? on both side ?? </span> </p> Risteard,
As Larkin said so r…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1857852016-03-14T15:17:06.789Zmichael dunnehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/michaeldunne
<p>Risteard,</p>
<p>As Larkin said so rightly..."The great are only great because we are on our knees...arise!" Our restricted present day freedoms you speak of were hard earned and we still have some way to go to enjoy them. Britain cut its colonial teeth on Ireland and made many of the basic mistakes typical of such policies of conquest. We resisted and bear the scars for doing so as do Britain for its folly. Could it rid itself of the North of Ireland and cut it adrift into the North…</p>
<p>Risteard,</p>
<p>As Larkin said so rightly..."The great are only great because we are on our knees...arise!" Our restricted present day freedoms you speak of were hard earned and we still have some way to go to enjoy them. Britain cut its colonial teeth on Ireland and made many of the basic mistakes typical of such policies of conquest. We resisted and bear the scars for doing so as do Britain for its folly. Could it rid itself of the North of Ireland and cut it adrift into the North Atlantic, in my opinion She would be glad to do so.</p>
<p>British Colonialism can be compared with Bart Simpsons analogy of family members and making pancakes...the first is often the worst, being misshapen, rough around the edges and sometimes scorched (The Emerald Isle). The second and subsequent pancakes are more successful or normal as the maker practices his craft. The final pancake can also be imperfect as the maker is only using up the last of the batter. Arterial drainage...</p> The following link opens up…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1857842016-03-14T15:00:43.765Zmichael dunnehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/michaeldunne
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">The following link opens up the Trinity College Dublin Future Learn course for Irish History from 1912 to 1923. This free course can be done at ones leisure and I have found it to be the best MOOC course available to date. It starts this week and is well worth a visit.…</p>
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;">The following link opens up the Trinity College Dublin Future Learn course for Irish History from 1912 to 1923. This free course can be done at ones leisure and I have found it to be the best MOOC course available to date. It starts this week and is well worth a visit.</p>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm;"><a href="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/153729e62b361629">https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/153729e62b361629</a></p> Richard R. Mc Gibbon Jr.
I'll…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1858792016-03-14T06:37:07.578ZMicheal O Doibhilinhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/MichealODoibhilin
<p><a class="fn url" href="http://thewildgeese.irish/profile/RichardRMcGibbonJr">Richard R. Mc Gibbon Jr.</a></p>
<p>I'll drink to that!</p>
<p>We are all standing on the shoulders of giants - the people who did what they did for us. let us be grateful to them, even when they made mistakes, because we would not enjoy our present-day freedoms were it not for them.</p>
<p><a class="fn url" href="http://thewildgeese.irish/profile/RichardRMcGibbonJr">Richard R. Mc Gibbon Jr.</a></p>
<p>I'll drink to that!</p>
<p>We are all standing on the shoulders of giants - the people who did what they did for us. let us be grateful to them, even when they made mistakes, because we would not enjoy our present-day freedoms were it not for them.</p> TJHIW
Many of the major peopl…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-14:6442157:Comment:1858782016-03-14T06:35:15.887ZMicheal O Doibhilinhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/MichealODoibhilin
<p>TJHIW</p>
<p>Many of the major people in our history did, indeed, write their own "Apologia Pro Vita Sua", and told their history as they lived it. They gave their reasons for what they did, and they talked about others who joined them.</p>
<p>Whe they are talking about themselves, that is primary source material and as near as we will get in most cases to their motivations. I say this because, after all, they are writing with the benefit of hindsight and may try to justify something in the…</p>
<p>TJHIW</p>
<p>Many of the major people in our history did, indeed, write their own "Apologia Pro Vita Sua", and told their history as they lived it. They gave their reasons for what they did, and they talked about others who joined them.</p>
<p>Whe they are talking about themselves, that is primary source material and as near as we will get in most cases to their motivations. I say this because, after all, they are writing with the benefit of hindsight and may try to justify something in the public mind.</p>
<p>When they write about others they are on shaky ground because they will attribute motives that we cannot verify.</p>
<p>But it really doesn't matter because it is their actions and their actions' consequences that we must judge. Of course, something wrong done with the best intention must be understood as that.</p>
<p>historians who try to interpret history by today's rules and standards are frauds - we can only understand our history when we understand the times in which it was created. The old adage "If you want to know me come and live with me" is as true in history as elsewhere. We must "live" with these people to truly understand them and the good historian will always put people and events in context. Second guessing, playing "what-if" or alternate histories are the tools of the failed or incompetent historian.</p> Why don't we all just hoist a…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2016-03-13:6442157:Comment:1859232016-03-13T20:25:37.641ZRichard R. Mc Gibbon Jr.https://thewildgeese.irish/profile/RichardRMcGibbonJr
<p>Why don't we all just hoist a pint to all that assisted in the Irish liberation with the hope that others will follow with clarity of thought and purpose. And another pint raising to all that try to record history. Time is much like a river and the person's that undertake the passion of trying to record it are on a boat on that river. The boat's can be many with slightly different position on that river and each one has a unique vantage point. Alas, its time to tune me guitar and sing some…</p>
<p>Why don't we all just hoist a pint to all that assisted in the Irish liberation with the hope that others will follow with clarity of thought and purpose. And another pint raising to all that try to record history. Time is much like a river and the person's that undertake the passion of trying to record it are on a boat on that river. The boat's can be many with slightly different position on that river and each one has a unique vantage point. Alas, its time to tune me guitar and sing some tunes, think I will start with; "A Nation Once Again" and from that point,... the river will take me along for a ride. Slainte !</p>