Comments - Irish Holocaust as Subject of Comedy Series? Here's How You Can Voice Your Objection - The Wild Geese2024-03-29T10:12:17Zhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=6442157%3ABlogPost%3A135775&xn_auth=noanother aspect of the horrors…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-17:6442157:Comment:1382792015-01-17T16:10:16.885ZPatdee Mullarkeyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/PatriciaDMullarkey
<p>another aspect of the horrors of the famine was the impact on the already terrible workhouses</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/the-kilkenny-workhouse-mass-burials-an-archaeology-of-the-great-irish-famine.htm" target="_blank">http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/the-kilkenny-workhouse-mass-burials-an-archaeology-of-the-great-irish-famine.htm</a></p>
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<p>another aspect of the horrors of the famine was the impact on the already terrible workhouses</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/the-kilkenny-workhouse-mass-burials-an-archaeology-of-the-great-irish-famine.htm" target="_blank">http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/the-kilkenny-workhouse-mass-burials-an-archaeology-of-the-great-irish-famine.htm</a></p>
<p></p> I wouldn't consider boycottin…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-05:6442157:Comment:1363932015-01-05T20:20:04.732ZJohn W. Hurleyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JohnWHurley
<p>I wouldn't consider boycotting a dumb idea as censorship just....boycotting. He will be free to write what he pleases regardless of any petition. However another point, I would think, is why would a British government owned TV station actually want to support a comedy about a an attempt to exterminate the Irish people. And let's not kid ourselves: the number who died exceeded 1 million. Even as it was happening Irishmen felt that 2 million had died and warned that even then the British…</p>
<p>I wouldn't consider boycotting a dumb idea as censorship just....boycotting. He will be free to write what he pleases regardless of any petition. However another point, I would think, is why would a British government owned TV station actually want to support a comedy about a an attempt to exterminate the Irish people. And let's not kid ourselves: the number who died exceeded 1 million. Even as it was happening Irishmen felt that 2 million had died and warned that even then the British government was trying to downplay the number of deaths. Clearly certain British interests have way too much say in brainwashing the Irish public, whether in the educational system, Peter Hart's now debunked, "The IRA and its Enemies" or those who censored Sinn Fein back in the 80's. The flip side of the danger of censorship is letting those who want to d it, lie to you about your history in order to continue to control you and your children and "keep them in their place".</p> Hello - Ive read most of the…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-05:6442157:Comment:1365472015-01-05T17:29:48.483ZJarlath MacNamarahttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JarlathMacNamara
<p>Hello - Ive read most of the comments including those proposing the contra opinions and I get really worried when I see those who are nervous about about Art or those worried about Censorship when the basic argument about all projects such as this is- IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG . Not is this writers rights been interfered with . Not whether there is an interference with ART . Did the starving have a right to food or the right to die peacefully . Do the starved have the right to lay in peace…</p>
<p>Hello - Ive read most of the comments including those proposing the contra opinions and I get really worried when I see those who are nervous about about Art or those worried about Censorship when the basic argument about all projects such as this is- IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG . Not is this writers rights been interfered with . Not whether there is an interference with ART . Did the starving have a right to food or the right to die peacefully . Do the starved have the right to lay in peace without others coming along and suggesting that "lets party , lets have a laugh " adding quickly "sure we mean no harm - We will still pray for you in the commercial breaks" . Remember in Ireland we have the saying about not "dancing on someones grave ". Next time all of you lucky enough to live beside that wonderful monument to the famine at the Hudson have a chance . Drop in , sit down , oh and crack a few jokes , break out a beer , ask someone you never met did you hear about the one from Galway or Cork or wherever who died in the famine ? See how many high fives you get . Or what about the woman who had 11 children and lost 4 on the way over . I am not a religous zealot in any way . Like you all I have a deep love for Ireland and those that have gone before us , and an admiration for America and what America did for our ancestors . On decency alone there is no debate and none should be allowed . Next time you look at Lady Liberty think about the women that came to America who could only get jobs as household help or as prostitutes - I feel another joke coming on , starting with "there was a woman called Brigid , .......... But I guess thats what some call Art and others call indecent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p> I agree, Fiona. There is a d…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-05:6442157:Comment:1364562015-01-05T13:05:08.159ZKelly O'Rourkehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/KellyORourke
<p>I agree, Fiona. There is a dangerous trend afoot of under-informed boycotting/petition signing across a range of issues. I only have a certain amount of outrage, and I'm not going to deploy it over this. Clearly there are strong emotions on this topic, and I don't envy the writer the task of navigating these waters. I do appreciate all the views shared. I hope the producers will take them into consideration and make something worth watching.</p>
<p>I agree, Fiona. There is a dangerous trend afoot of under-informed boycotting/petition signing across a range of issues. I only have a certain amount of outrage, and I'm not going to deploy it over this. Clearly there are strong emotions on this topic, and I don't envy the writer the task of navigating these waters. I do appreciate all the views shared. I hope the producers will take them into consideration and make something worth watching.</p> to make the misery of a fami…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-05:6442157:Comment:1363682015-01-05T07:21:39.581ZPatrick J. O'Learyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/PatrickJOLeary
<p> to make the misery of a famine and suffering and sorrow that have befallen the people of the area and turn it all into a comedy is kind of hard to take or appreciate. Mr. Cosgrove had his father's experience brought to light and it gave a different view. Most anyone who would have seen the aftermath of war in the misery, hunger, homelessness and sense of despair of people who had lost everything but their lives might find it difficult to see or think of anything that would be comedic on…</p>
<p> to make the misery of a famine and suffering and sorrow that have befallen the people of the area and turn it all into a comedy is kind of hard to take or appreciate. Mr. Cosgrove had his father's experience brought to light and it gave a different view. Most anyone who would have seen the aftermath of war in the misery, hunger, homelessness and sense of despair of people who had lost everything but their lives might find it difficult to see or think of anything that would be comedic on this topic. Just my thought. >>></p>
<p></p> HAVING BEEN STATIONED IN EN…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-04:6442157:Comment:1364222015-01-04T19:47:45.206Zsullivansjohn@comcast.nethttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/sullivansjohncomcastnet
<p> HAVING BEEN STATIONED IN ENGLAND AS A YOUNG IRISH AMERICAN NAVY PETTY OFFICER I CAN WELL UNDERSTAND THE BRITISH PUBLIC HAVING A GOOD LAUGH AT THE EXPENSE OF THE MILLIONS OF IRISH BLODDED FOLKS WHO RESIDE IN IRELAND AND ALL AROUND THE WORLD. MY 4 YEARS IN ENGLAND CIRCLED AROUND SOME COUSINS & OTHER IRISH FOLK IN THE PORTABELLO ROAD DISTRICT. ONE DAY THEIR 900 + YEARS OF TERROR PLEAS GOD WILL COME HOME TO HAUNT THEM. JOHN McCann SULLIVAN</p>
<p> HAVING BEEN STATIONED IN ENGLAND AS A YOUNG IRISH AMERICAN NAVY PETTY OFFICER I CAN WELL UNDERSTAND THE BRITISH PUBLIC HAVING A GOOD LAUGH AT THE EXPENSE OF THE MILLIONS OF IRISH BLODDED FOLKS WHO RESIDE IN IRELAND AND ALL AROUND THE WORLD. MY 4 YEARS IN ENGLAND CIRCLED AROUND SOME COUSINS & OTHER IRISH FOLK IN THE PORTABELLO ROAD DISTRICT. ONE DAY THEIR 900 + YEARS OF TERROR PLEAS GOD WILL COME HOME TO HAUNT THEM. JOHN McCann SULLIVAN</p> The problem with waiting to v…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-04:6442157:Comment:1361962015-01-04T17:25:15.891ZJoe Gannonhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JoeGannon
<p>The problem with waiting to voice objections to this idea until after we've seen the product on the screen is that once they have put the money into producing it, it's going air and keep airing for some time. Saying it's a bad idea then will be too late. And as someone else noted, if we remain silent they'd say "gee, no one seemed to have a problem with the idea before." We have a perfect right to express our opinions to them NOW. We think it's a bad idea and not a fit subject for "comedy."…</p>
<p>The problem with waiting to voice objections to this idea until after we've seen the product on the screen is that once they have put the money into producing it, it's going air and keep airing for some time. Saying it's a bad idea then will be too late. And as someone else noted, if we remain silent they'd say "gee, no one seemed to have a problem with the idea before." We have a perfect right to express our opinions to them NOW. We think it's a bad idea and not a fit subject for "comedy." If they think they can do it in a way that somehow ends up being respectful of the event, they can go ahead do it. But they aren't going to do it with out having been warned by us first that we think it's a terrible idea. If they go ahead and do it and it really isn't objectionable, they can say "see, we told you so," and if it is, we say "we told you it was a BAD idea, and it is." What can't happen is for us to say nothing, then have them be able to hide behind that if the product is horrendous. Those of us who think it's a terrible idea have a perfect right to tell them that.</p> This guy is just taking a pag…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-04:6442157:Comment:1361942015-01-04T17:18:49.199ZJohn W. Hurleyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JohnWHurley
<p>This guy is just taking a page out of the book of Sinead O'Connor, Kevin Meyers and others: seek as much publicity as possible by being as arrogantly contrary as possible to beliefs you know that other people hold sacred; then once you have the spotlight change your statements through "clarification" or stick to them and pretend to be a counter culture rebel. <span style="font-size: 13px;">The really strange thing though is that so many Irish born people do this but the only sacred cows they…</span></p>
<p>This guy is just taking a page out of the book of Sinead O'Connor, Kevin Meyers and others: seek as much publicity as possible by being as arrogantly contrary as possible to beliefs you know that other people hold sacred; then once you have the spotlight change your statements through "clarification" or stick to them and pretend to be a counter culture rebel. <span style="font-size: 13px;">The really strange thing though is that so many Irish born people do this but the only sacred cows they really, REALLY despise are all the native Irish ones: the language, the Catholic religion, the Famine, the men and women who fought for the creation of a democracy in Ireland....I remember reading a few years back that Ireland had one of the highest rates of mental illness in Europe and given the scars of history I don't doubt it. But one of the sad side effects of abuse is this kind of self-hating where people actually begin to find it both fun and funny to hurt others in this way but claim that it is somehow just for the sake of humor or that, as with Kevin Meyers, they are playing the role of stimulating important questioning and debate in Ireland's brainwashed national consciousness. It's just a cheap gimmick made by people born and raised in Ireland but who are really, in many ways, little more than tourists there. If an Irish-American was making this same comedy series the Meyerites and O'Connorists would no doubt be seething with rage and we would be subject to endless hyperbolic attacks and lectures on the subject of "stupid yanks."</span></p> "I am uncomfortable with peop…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-04:6442157:Comment:1361912015-01-04T14:03:53.179ZPatdee Mullarkeyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/PatriciaDMullarkey
<p>"I am uncomfortable with people expressing their outrage as being 'censorship' or 'quashing'. Mr Travers and TV Channel 4 have the right to express themselves (and they have a considerable advantage over the rest of us in having a TV network at their disposal), but freedom of speech goes both ways and those who are horrified at this 'comedy concept' have an equal right to express their outrage...Why is Irish suffering and Irish Defamation held to a different standard than other…</p>
<p>"I am uncomfortable with people expressing their outrage as being 'censorship' or 'quashing'. Mr Travers and TV Channel 4 have the right to express themselves (and they have a considerable advantage over the rest of us in having a TV network at their disposal), but freedom of speech goes both ways and those who are horrified at this 'comedy concept' have an equal right to express their outrage...Why is Irish suffering and Irish Defamation held to a different standard than other heritages?"</p>
<p>Well said, Neil.</p> That's a fair point, Neil. M…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2015-01-03:6442157:Comment:1361542015-01-03T22:27:04.808ZKelly O'Rourkehttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/KellyORourke
<p>That's a fair point, Neil. Maybe they are floating it to see what reaction people have to the idea. They're certainly getting publicity! </p>
<p>That's a fair point, Neil. Maybe they are floating it to see what reaction people have to the idea. They're certainly getting publicity! </p>