The Irish Need To Lead Now - The Wild Geese2024-03-28T21:27:56Zhttps://thewildgeese.irish/forum/topics/the-irish-need-to-lead-now?commentId=6442157%3AComment%3A28636&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks, You seem to be the s…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-06-30:6442157:Comment:286362013-06-30T05:10:23.219ZBernard Raymond O'Brienhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/BernardRaymondOBrien
<p>Thanks, You seem to be the spokesman here. My name is not Raymond however Gerry. Thanks for welcome on board. Now, lets move on ok?</p>
<p>Thanks, You seem to be the spokesman here. My name is not Raymond however Gerry. Thanks for welcome on board. Now, lets move on ok?</p> Could not agree more although…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-06-30:6442157:Comment:286312013-06-30T05:09:02.874ZBernard Raymond O'Brienhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/BernardRaymondOBrien
<p>Could not agree more although most of what you say has been obvious for years. I was a Director of Catholic Charities and learned a lot about the inside. </p>
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<p>Ok, now the talking is over. We, or most of us, agree. Where do we meet. What do we do? When? How?</p>
<p>Where? Come on. Anyone who can think as big as the Irish, like this, can come up with what we must do next. Or just talk?</p>
<p>Could not agree more although most of what you say has been obvious for years. I was a Director of Catholic Charities and learned a lot about the inside. </p>
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<p>Ok, now the talking is over. We, or most of us, agree. Where do we meet. What do we do? When? How?</p>
<p>Where? Come on. Anyone who can think as big as the Irish, like this, can come up with what we must do next. Or just talk?</p> There's a stanza in Patrick S…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-06-30:6442157:Comment:284402013-06-30T00:28:03.887ZJim Curleyhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/JimCurley
<p>There's a stanza in Patrick Street's song "Forgotten Hero" about Michael Davitt that goes:</p>
<p>But not for the first time and neither for the last<br></br> The Dublin Castle Bishops nailed their colours to the mast<br></br> And the Altars rang with warnings, respect the law we say<br></br> For these Fenians and these Socialists are leading you astray.</p>
<p>Anyone who saw " The Wind That Shakes the Barley" will understand those lyrics. The institutional Church is for the status quo, and the status…</p>
<p>There's a stanza in Patrick Street's song "Forgotten Hero" about Michael Davitt that goes:</p>
<p>But not for the first time and neither for the last<br/> The Dublin Castle Bishops nailed their colours to the mast<br/> And the Altars rang with warnings, respect the law we say<br/> For these Fenians and these Socialists are leading you astray.</p>
<p>Anyone who saw " The Wind That Shakes the Barley" will understand those lyrics. The institutional Church is for the status quo, and the status quo is not good. When you see clerics get arrested for money laundering, when you see Cardinal Law escape from the clutches of U.S. authorities because the man who's on the fast track to sainthood shepherded him away to Rome, you lose faith in the institutional Church. It's time for another Martin Luther. And Ger, you're right. We are the Church, the Body of Christ.</p>
<p></p> You raise some interesting po…tag:thewildgeese.irish,2013-06-29:6442157:Comment:283332013-06-29T21:38:15.819ZGerry Reganhttps://thewildgeese.irish/profile/ger_regan
<p>You raise some interesting points of history, Raymond. The hierarchical Church has always been a socially conservative force in world affairs, I'd argue, and certainly so in Ireland. Individual clerics have stepped beyond that, ahem, ordained role, to their credit, out of compassion for their long-suffering flock. I'd love to focus on those Irish individuals, such as Dorothy Day, in particular, to emphasize that the Church is you, me, fellow members and priests John Sheehan and Dan Beegan,…</p>
<p>You raise some interesting points of history, Raymond. The hierarchical Church has always been a socially conservative force in world affairs, I'd argue, and certainly so in Ireland. Individual clerics have stepped beyond that, ahem, ordained role, to their credit, out of compassion for their long-suffering flock. I'd love to focus on those Irish individuals, such as Dorothy Day, in particular, to emphasize that the Church is you, me, fellow members and priests John Sheehan and Dan Beegan, as well as Pope Francis 1 and the US Catholic Bishops Conference. We all are the Body of Christ. The Church fathers in recent times have been a strong voice for justice in the workplace and for social equality, and deserve credit for that.</p>